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Lockwork: dry or wet?

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9:48 pm
March 9, 2010


SiVisPacem

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posts 7

Newbie dumb question:

M1A technical manual specifies lubrication of moving parts… though I can't find any discussion as to whether the lockwork – especially the sear and the hammer step – are to be lubricated or left dry.

What's the correct procedure with the Springfield M1A?

Thanks in advance!

Si Vis Pacem

If you seek Peace, seek first Liberty

3:33 pm
March 13, 2010


The Shootist

Clearfield,Pa.

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posts 126

I put a thin film(Don't get crazy with it) of grease on the part of the hammer the bolt cams against to re cock the hammer.(this is the rounded out part at a slant.)

Also i put a thin layer of film of grease anwhere parts rub against each other, use common sense, you can tell what parts rub in there if you look carefully.

Whatever you do, i advise against lubing the hammer sear claws or the claws it engages on the hammer itself. these parts need to grip firmly for safety reasons.

I also use a thin film of grease for the guides the whole trigger pack inserts into when assembling or diassembling the gun makes it easier to insert and extract when cleaning, but does not cause grease to soak into the stock.Wink

War does not always decide who was right, but it's always decided who was left!!!

7:17 pm
March 13, 2010


SiVisPacem

Member

posts 7

Shootist,

Many thanks!  I appreciate the heads-up about the hammer sear claws.  Dry they shall stay.

Best,

Ran / Si Vis Pacem

Si Vis Pacem

If you seek Peace, seek first Liberty

8:41 am
March 14, 2010


gunner

Member

posts 25

What other parts, besides the hammer sear claws, do not need greasing?

What is the best grease that you have used so far? Will it be bad to place so much grease on the parts that rub each other?

7:48 pm
March 14, 2010


The Shootist

Clearfield,Pa.

Member

posts 126

No, anywhere it rubs except the claws is fine….to answer the second question…….You aren't globbing the grease in there, just a light thin film smeared smotth on the parts is enough.

Also, i do not use the petroleum greases, they seem to just be messier, nor do i use Lithium grease because it thickens over time in storage…..

I found the PTFE based greases such as Tetra(Available at Wal-Mart) or some of the other newer PTFE based firearms greases are acceptable.

Two things i have found i didn't like is REM-OIL or BREAK FREE, for some reason after a couple monhts in storage they both turn into a Sticky cosmoline type goo, you end up practically having to scrape off the gun to get it clean enough to use and if you live in a Antigue house like i do that is always dusty the dust adds to the goo reinforcing it. Frown

War does not always decide who was right, but it's always decided who was left!!!

1:43 am
March 18, 2010


gunner

Member

posts 25

Thanks shootist for that information. I will remember what you have said.

Is it alright to use the grease that is used for sewing machines? My mother is using a grease for her sewing machine to make the parts move easily.

6:58 am
March 18, 2010


SiVisPacem

Member

posts 7

Thanks!  Very uselful.

Best,

Ran / Si Vis Pacem

Si Vis Pacem

If you seek Peace, seek first Liberty

10:34 pm
March 19, 2010


Conrad

Member

posts 25

This is really a great information you have shootist.

What do we do if we found some rust on a piece of the rifle? Can we rub it off with oil and hope that the rust will go away or should we replace that piece?

1:55 pm
March 20, 2010


The Shootist

Clearfield,Pa.

Member

posts 126

Believe it or not, that birchwood casey Rust -Blueing remover, doesn't seem to affect the phospate finish on gunparts yet dissolves the rust.(Warnign, this rust remover stinks to high heaven so do it outside.)

Just get some on a q-tip and rub lightly you'll see the q-tip turn rust colored and the rust dissapearing, then just oil it when it looks like the rust is gone, it may lighten the Phosphate but won't remove it.

I used this technigue on a Colt SP-1(The light barrel, triangle handguard version) i bought, they haven't been made since 1984 and this one was in mint condition except for the light rust on the ejector cover and it removed the rust and left the phospate finish. Thats how i know this works. I tried it on that little part because if somethign went wrogn it was easily replaceable.Wink

War does not always decide who was right, but it's always decided who was left!!!

6:36 am
April 3, 2010


Conrad

Member

posts 25

I have written that product so that whenever I find some rusts on a gun that I would be buying then I can rest knowing that the rust would disappear. I noticed though that rust eat iron, does this happen with guns? Will the part that has rust become thinner after the rust is gone?

7:59 pm
April 3, 2010


SiVisPacem

Member

posts 7

Shootist,

Thanks for the note on PTFE.  AimHi Shooting Range sold me a tube of Tetra Gun grease – and it is a fine product.

 

I've used it – sparingly – on various components of the M1A trigger assembly.  There is plenty of 'flat' and travel on the claws to safely apply a super-thin film of Tetra. The geometry of the lockwork is unusually stable – likely a design consideration in making the original selective-fire M14.

 

Cheers!

Si Vis Pacem

If you seek Peace, seek first Liberty

5:21 pm
April 5, 2010


The Shootist

Clearfield,Pa.

Member

posts 126

I love tetra it doesn't liquify if the gun gets hot durign firing like petroleum grease does. Just rub your fingers together if you get it on them , that stuff is slick!!

 

A local Tactical rifle company about 20 miles from me has developed a new gun cleaner it's called "10X Black rifle cleaner"

 

I am going to try to score some of it and test it, it claims to disolve copper and brass fouling as well as the normal residue of firing without being harsh or acidic to the steel of the barrel. Up to now i have used either "Hoppes Benchrest" or "Butch's Boreshine" both with excellent results but i want to try this stuff. They are making it for guns they build and sell at up to $4500 a pop.

War does not always decide who was right, but it's always decided who was left!!!


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